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mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between himself and president obama where he would take the country and where the president would here is ryan. >> he needs to give the american people the choice we are offering. that's what we are doing. we owe the country a very clear choice of a different future. we can either have a dynamic growing economy that produces opportunity or we can have a stagnant economy that fosters dependency. >> and this debate format is going to be different for the governor as well. out of 23 debates he has never, shep, had a one-on-one like he will on wednesday. >> shepard: while they are trying to lower expectations here some surrogates and some aren't. >> exactly. things are going pretty well in the expectations game. right up until governor chris christie of new jersey went on the air and hit mitt rom
mitt romney could go toe to toe with him and punch for punch. it's it's 2008 rope-a-dope obama that dominated the debates back then governor romney has to be careful not to punch himself out early or commit any unforced errors. clearly articulate the choice between himself and president obama where he would take the country and where the president would here is ryan. >> he needs to give the american people the choice we are offering. that's what we are doing. we owe the country a very...
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does governor romney have an answer do that? >>carl: he has been working through a series of answers on it. last night when he got to denver, he did an interview with the local fox affiliate. they asked him about it. here is one of the variations you would expect romney to use tomorrow night. >> they want to know, will i get jobs for the american people and get rising incomes? i'm a president for 100 percent of the american people. that is what the people care about. not 47 percent versus anyone, but president for 100 100 percef the people and i have demonstrated that throughout my life. >>carl: he will argue that president obama's record demonstrates an inability to get the committee going. trace? >>trace: thank you, carl. the presidential campaigns have been trying to lower expectations. it is a political strategy based on the idea that if voters are not expecting that were, they are more likely to be impressed. what do you think? joining us is g.o.p. consultant and young democrats of america executive director. emily, you loo
does governor romney have an answer do that? >>carl: he has been working through a series of answers on it. last night when he got to denver, he did an interview with the local fox affiliate. they asked him about it. here is one of the variations you would expect romney to use tomorrow night. >> they want to know, will i get jobs for the american people and get rising incomes? i'm a president for 100 percent of the american people. that is what the people care about. not 47 percent...
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i am definitely going to vote for romney. the change will be good. >> economy at the top of my list. if that is strong, even is strong. >> helen rice, owns an artisan market in littleton. she is anxious to see how president obama talks about the country's economic future over the next four years. >> i feel as a business owner the economy is still kind of shaky. it wouldn't take a lot to make that real unstable. but i feel like we made progress in the last four years. >> what factors in for her? >> i care about the middle class. people trying to make a living at their own business. so, i don't want to see the rich getting richer. i'm not that kind of businesswoman. >> you're a mom of three? >> three teenagers. >> business person? >> business person. >> debbie brown doesn't sugar coat it. she wants more women involved. that's why she is involved. as director of the colorado women's alliance. group that defines itself as researching and vo kateing on issues that women care about most. >> every woman's issue isn't birth control i
i am definitely going to vote for romney. the change will be good. >> economy at the top of my list. if that is strong, even is strong. >> helen rice, owns an artisan market in littleton. she is anxious to see how president obama talks about the country's economic future over the next four years. >> i feel as a business owner the economy is still kind of shaky. it wouldn't take a lot to make that real unstable. but i feel like we made progress in the last four years. >>...
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romney 47. and now he leads by 4 in the independents which is a better number for the former governor of massachusetts. >> gretchen: meanwhile congressman paul ryan was on the talk shows and he had this to say about polls and the state of the race. >> the question given all of that, why are you and mitt romney lotion . >> we'll give that. >> you are losing. >> we can debate polls, the president is offing four more of the same and distorting the issue and disguising the truth. and good at distracting. he can't run on hope and change and he's trying to win by default. mitt romney and i will give people choice. here is pro growth policy and increase more take home pay . and get people out of poverty in the middle class and get economic and job security. we'll show the country. here's what you need to do to tackle the problems. >> the fact that the message hasn't gotten through. is it your voters or the voters fault. >> it is not the voters's fault. the president is trying to cop fuse and distract p
romney 47. and now he leads by 4 in the independents which is a better number for the former governor of massachusetts. >> gretchen: meanwhile congressman paul ryan was on the talk shows and he had this to say about polls and the state of the race. >> the question given all of that, why are you and mitt romney lotion . >> we'll give that. >> you are losing. >> we can debate polls, the president is offing four more of the same and distorting the issue and disguising...
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want to vote for romney. want to vote against obama. but they don't want to vote for romney because of all the negatives obama's piled on them which has not been answered. they're sitting on one side waiting for permission to jump over and vote for romney. in the debate, that he's not a monster, that he's a man of integrity and defending himself on this stuff, can absolutely encourage them to jump over and make it possible for them to do that. >> sean: what a joke all weekend, watching the obama people trying to lower expectations. >> yeah, right. >> sean: 2-1. >> let's par remember that most debates work in favor of the challenger. the challenger walks on and does a good job, like reagan did against carter, all the fears of him go away. carter against gerald ford in 1976. mondale against reagan in the first debate. >> sean: yeah. >> the challenger has an innate advantage in these debates, because he can show that he's not a monster, that he's informed, that he's okay, that he's reasonable and they can answer
want to vote for romney. want to vote against obama. but they don't want to vote for romney because of all the negatives obama's piled on them which has not been answered. they're sitting on one side waiting for permission to jump over and vote for romney. in the debate, that he's not a monster, that he's a man of integrity and defending himself on this stuff, can absolutely encourage them to jump over and make it possible for them to do that. >> sean: what a joke all weekend, watching...
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now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on a tripod of lies and the president has said sometimes they just make things up. >> last i checked, isn't this called politics? you have lying all the time in politics. it is our responsibility to call folks out on it. on my tv 1 show, i have a segment called the biggest damn lie. >> that's got to be a very tough line to draw. >> some lies are much bigger than the others. you have to call folks out on it. here's the problem i have when it comes to a debate. when you hear lies on a debate, they should be called on out on the spot. when you hear
now, mitt romney has never made that claim. this is coming from a report making all kinds of arguments. and he's made all kinds of a assumptions that the romney campaign has rejected. also puts harvey rosen, you can also generate enough growth to avoid a middle class tax increase. there are a loft credible folks saying something else. it's a fact he's going to raise middle class tax. >> the obama campaign, david plouffe is a chris christie of the campaign saying their campaign is built on...
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romney more weeks now. in the expectations game the obama campaign has seeds on romney's prook is time and the fact that he had 20 debates in the primaries to suggest he's the more experienced debater. the romney campaign says this is the president of the united states who has already been in presidential debates and this is romney's first time to do that. bill: does he have an answer ready for the 47% who do not pay income taxes. >> reporter: he does. to put the genie back in the bought and take the bite out of the remarks. deep criticism for the way he called folks who don't pay income taxes essentially lazy. here is his new remark delivered yesterday to the local fox affiliate in denver upon mr. romney's arrival. >> they want to know, will i get jobs for the american people and get rising incomes. and i'm a president for 100% of the american people. that's the real percent people care about. not 99 versus 1. not 47% versus anyone else. i will be for 100% of the people. >> reporter: but he's not walk away
romney more weeks now. in the expectations game the obama campaign has seeds on romney's prook is time and the fact that he had 20 debates in the primaries to suggest he's the more experienced debater. the romney campaign says this is the president of the united states who has already been in presidential debates and this is romney's first time to do that. bill: does he have an answer ready for the 47% who do not pay income taxes. >> reporter: he does. to put the genie back in the bought...
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romney's positions. the governor of massachusetts complained the romney campaign distorted his position on abortion, taxes auto bailout and other things. one of the things they're prepared for is that rhetoric coming from the president and how mr. romney would call him out for lying to the public or being deceptive. a lot of that is going to play out. it's not just a battle of facts. both mr. obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come across to viewers and a lot of that's very, very personal. frankly, you can't really rehearse it. that's what makes the anticipation so high. the expectation game so important, it's the unscripted moment that people are watching for. bill? >> bill: 50 million plus americans watching four years ago. huge audience. >>> 25-year-old who graduated from college earned a law degree and passed the florida bar exam. now fighting to get his law license. the problem was and is, he's an illegal immigrant. he came to the u.s. with
romney's positions. the governor of massachusetts complained the romney campaign distorted his position on abortion, taxes auto bailout and other things. one of the things they're prepared for is that rhetoric coming from the president and how mr. romney would call him out for lying to the public or being deceptive. a lot of that is going to play out. it's not just a battle of facts. both mr. obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come...
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well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work. romney says this new number or not is not what a recovery looks like. >> the truth is, if the same share of people were participating in the workforce, today is on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11%. >> "outfront" tonight, ali vels velshi, ethan and a former staff member for president oba's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform, daniel mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. alan, the numbers sound good. are they? >> i don't care. i'm going to go one further than erin. not only does the absolute number of the unemployment percentage not matter. i don't even think the trend matters. bottom line is there are measures of unemployment much more important. the nu
well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work. romney says this new number or not is not what a recovery looks like. >> the truth is, if the same share of people were participating in the workforce, today is on the day the...
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what do you say to mitt romney? >> well, first of all, i do think the start of the presidential campaign in some ways started with the debate the other night. i think only partisans watch the convention. a lot of the real undecided voters started to tune in. he had a good night, he can build on that. i think what he has to do, though, is not just become the biggest critic of the president. i think other people can do that effectively. he has to start showing his vision and how to give hope to people of why america is going to be better under mitt romney and also let them see him personally. get to know him and see that he's actually a pretty darn likeable guy once you get to know him. >> can he win from here, do you think, john? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, we have already seen some of the polls that came out today since the debates show a great tightening. we have also seen there's been a big influx of money for mitt romney which will for the first time put him on an even parity with obama on advertising, and like i
what do you say to mitt romney? >> well, first of all, i do think the start of the presidential campaign in some ways started with the debate the other night. i think only partisans watch the convention. a lot of the real undecided voters started to tune in. he had a good night, he can build on that. i think what he has to do, though, is not just become the biggest critic of the president. i think other people can do that effectively. he has to start showing his vision and how to give...
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romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years. >> reporter: -- advisers on both sides agree tonight's debate presents a critical opportunity to break through to the american voter. >> this is an opportunity really to reach the voters that haven't yet made up their mind in an unfiltered way. >> they want to hear plans forward. they want to know what the president will do over the course of the next four years. and how exactly we'll get there. >> reporter: with polls showing mr. obama leading in the swing crucial swing states, top aides have encouraged the president to be himself, don't change what's
romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years....
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this was the romney theory going in. he needs to prove that he's a better choice for the next four years. >> people are still persuadable. 15% is a pretty big number. if you look at undecided voters in most polls it's around 6%. but rich is right. people will pay attention to this and they will look for something maybe to make them change their minds for people who aren't completely thrilled about their choice which actually i think in both parties it's most people. most people aren't that excited about their choice. but it's mostly the independent voters they will have to focus on. bill: you make the case this debate is really for them. the persuadables. >> it's not just for them. it's for those in certain states. it's great that we can talk about the race, what's happening nationally. but what matters is what's happening in battle ground states. and it looks like the race is moving in obama's direction. bill: i want to take you both back to an event in 2008 that a lot of folks have forgotten about. i believe this is ja
this was the romney theory going in. he needs to prove that he's a better choice for the next four years. >> people are still persuadable. 15% is a pretty big number. if you look at undecided voters in most polls it's around 6%. but rich is right. people will pay attention to this and they will look for something maybe to make them change their minds for people who aren't completely thrilled about their choice which actually i think in both parties it's most people. most people aren't...
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campaign has been preparing some so-called zingers that mitt romney's practiced and can use. i don't know why they would leak that kind of information, because it's like setting you up to fail if it doesn't work out. but how important are little lines like that, do you think? in the history of debates? >> i think they can be very important. i am suspicious about the fact that they are talking about it so much in advance. the mere fact they are tell gating means they don't plan to go through with it. it's hard to work a zinger in organically and that's the beauty of a line like pious baloney, it flowed naturally into the conversation. >> in terms of -- a lot of people remember newt gingrich talking about moon colonies during the primary. mitt romney hit back at him on that. >> i spent 25 years in business if i had a business executive come to me and said they want to spend a few billion to put a colony on the moon, i'd say you're fired. >> you think that's an example of romney at his best, straight forward, and business experience at his best. transfer diminished newt gingrich
campaign has been preparing some so-called zingers that mitt romney's practiced and can use. i don't know why they would leak that kind of information, because it's like setting you up to fail if it doesn't work out. but how important are little lines like that, do you think? in the history of debates? >> i think they can be very important. i am suspicious about the fact that they are talking about it so much in advance. the mere fact they are tell gating means they don't plan to go...
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ck o romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. [ femala $100 cream. we were flattered when regenerist beat flabbergasted when we creamed a $500 cream. for about $30 regenerist micro-sculpting cream hydrates better than over 20 of america's most expensive luxury creams. fantastic. phenomenal. regenerist. for the spender who needs a little help saving. for adding "& sons." for the dreamer, planning an early escape. for the mother of the bride. for whoever you are, for whatever you're trying to achieve, pnc has tec
ck o romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? by the armful? by the barrelful? the carful? how about...by...
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mitt romney is behind. polls show he lags president obama both nationwide and in key battleground states where the races are either tight or obama holds a clear edge. heightening the urgency, early voting is underway in 30 states, including wisconsin, iowa, new hampshire, virginia, and north carolina, and it starts tuesday in ohio and florida. the romney campaign looks to find its footing in the next 37 days. that's next with alex castellano, dana bash, and celinda lake. a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something huh? whoa... [ male announcer ] humana understands the value of spending time together that's a lot of work getting that one in! let's go see the birdies. [ male announcer ] one on one, sharing what you know. let's do it grandpa. that's w
mitt romney is behind. polls show he lags president obama both nationwide and in key battleground states where the races are either tight or obama holds a clear edge. heightening the urgency, early voting is underway in 30 states, including wisconsin, iowa, new hampshire, virginia, and north carolina, and it starts tuesday in ohio and florida. the romney campaign looks to find its footing in the next 37 days. that's next with alex castellano, dana bash, and celinda lake. a little bit more...
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mitt romney has to demonstrate he's changed. there are a lot of voters in this country who are unsatisfied with barack obama. they think we could do better. they don't know that mitt romney is that change. neither of these guys has told us what the next four years could be like because of the changes they would bring. >> and that's i think another challenge that mitt romney has on wednesday night. that is to finally lay out some plans. he's been talking a lot about i have solutions, i know how to get the economy moving, but he really hasn't given us a concrete beyond the 59 points, the five points -- >> neither has our president, though. >> our president did in his convention speech outline what he would do over the next four years which i believe is very important because he'll have an opportunity on wednesday night to expand upon that. mitt romney once again, this is the third time he's going to have an opportunity to introduce himself, this time we'll see if he can charm us into thinking he's the one. >> i think you're a litt
mitt romney has to demonstrate he's changed. there are a lot of voters in this country who are unsatisfied with barack obama. they think we could do better. they don't know that mitt romney is that change. neither of these guys has told us what the next four years could be like because of the changes they would bring. >> and that's i think another challenge that mitt romney has on wednesday night. that is to finally lay out some plans. he's been talking a lot about i have solutions, i...
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romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel on its borders and he just wanted his state of play. understand this is a relationship, piers. prime minister netanyahu and governor romney go back a number of decades. they worked together in business when they were both graduates from business school. they've kept in touch over the years. so prime minister netanyahu is someone that the governor reaches out to from time to time just to get his perspectives on the region and he certainly felt that given what's going on right now, in addition to the iranian cri
romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel...
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what about mitt romney, though? bill o'reilly offering up his advice this morning on fox and friends. take a listen. >> what romney should be doing right now is watching ronald reagan take apart jimmy carter. now, with this caveat; president obama much quicker than jimmy carter, much. however, the way reagan did it was authoritative but kind of folksy. you've got to take the edge off a little bit -- >> no. >> but you've got to be a little bold and fresh out there. but you've got to do it with more of a twinkle in your eye. if he shows malice, he'll lose. jenna: we'll see what our next guest thinks about that. it's one of governor romney's former debate coaches, brett o'donnell. he's the president of donnell and associates. in addition to coaching governor romney, he's worked with john mccain and president george w. bush. nice to have you on the program. >> good to be with you. jenna: for some of our viewers, how does one become an expert debate coach? did you start out on the debate team in high school? how did you
what about mitt romney, though? bill o'reilly offering up his advice this morning on fox and friends. take a listen. >> what romney should be doing right now is watching ronald reagan take apart jimmy carter. now, with this caveat; president obama much quicker than jimmy carter, much. however, the way reagan did it was authoritative but kind of folksy. you've got to take the edge off a little bit -- >> no. >> but you've got to be a little bold and fresh out there. but you've...
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romney. >>> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message >>> toll pohl ticks can be funny. i'll be back with more news an hour from now. "sanjay gupta, m.d.," begins right now. >>> all right, thanks for being with us. today amazing progress on the war on cancer. there are real cures being developed but they come with staggering cost. >>> also i hope you have a strong stomach for this. you're not going to believe what we found in the filthy restaurant play areas. >>> the fcc has asked the cell phones to update their safety. first medical care. this week we're going to see the first first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact, and it's back in the spotlight this week after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month to go before the election, i wanted to zero in on what's at stake here. since president obama'
romney. >>> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. >> i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message >>> toll pohl ticks can be funny. i'll be back with more news an hour from now. "sanjay gupta, m.d.," begins right now. >>> all right, thanks for being with us. today amazing progress on the war on cancer. there are real cures being developed but they come with...
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. >>> you know, this week we're going to see the first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact. and it is back in the spotlight after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month ago before the election, i want to zero in on what is at stake here. since president obama's health care law was enacted, 3.1 million people under the age of 26 are now covered by their parents' plans, andñr preventiv care also is available. many benefitted from prescription drugs. >> seniors who fall in the coverage gap known as the donut help will start to get help. they receive $250, paying for prescriptions, helping with the donut hole. >> 5 million seniors have saved money on the prescription drugs since the law was started. he also plans to slow spending on medicare. >> i have strengthened medicare, we have added years to the life of medicare. we did it by getting rid of taxpayer subsidies and insurance companies that were not making people healthier. >> by 2014, the law requires ev
. >>> you know, this week we're going to see the first debate between mitt romney and president obama. health care is a key issue, one of the biggest, in fact. and it is back in the spotlight after romney said people without insurance can always just go to an emergency room. now, with barely a month ago before the election, i want to zero in on what is at stake here. since president obama's health care law was enacted, 3.1 million people under the age of 26 are now covered by their...
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adding on romney. romney is not my issue here. not only decide to support obama on this issue the last two weeks, what we see is a press that has decided that it will not tell the american people the truth. not only tell people oho they may or may not vote for but now telling people what truth they may know and what truth they may not know. >> what is the truth? look, we have covered this story responsibly here on the factor, all right? >> you have. >> but i only take it up to where the facts lie. and that's why i gave the time line. and the other thing is unfortunately the folks don't care about this story. they don't. the massive amount of people in america. not people who watch cable news and listen to talk radio but just the folks watching dancing with stars and nfl and world wrestling, they don't care about the libyan story. they don't care about the libyan ambassador unfortunately. it's hard to make them care. >> if you don't tell them, then how will they care? let me just say. this we had an incident where, you know, the da
adding on romney. romney is not my issue here. not only decide to support obama on this issue the last two weeks, what we see is a press that has decided that it will not tell the american people the truth. not only tell people oho they may or may not vote for but now telling people what truth they may know and what truth they may not know. >> what is the truth? look, we have covered this story responsibly here on the factor, all right? >> you have. >> but i only take it up to...
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this is where romney can really get him. the president said if he got the more than trillion dollars in stimulus packages that he wanted that he could get unemployment down under 8%, and that is not what happened. so what romney will argue is, that the president has failed and that the failures have been simply too expensive. and you know the new sewing began in romney land and that is this. we can't afford four more years. you're going to hear that in very clear relief on wednesday. >> reporter: stewart is that enough to say the president's policies have failed or does romney need to layout in terms that americans can understand what he would do to bring this debt and deficit down? >> i think you've hit the nail on the head, he must spell out what he's going to do about this huge problem. in my opinion, what he must do is spell out how he will grow america's economy. we must grow at at least a 4% rate. if we can do that we raise the level of employment, we raise more money in taxes, we cut the deficit and if we have a long-
this is where romney can really get him. the president said if he got the more than trillion dollars in stimulus packages that he wanted that he could get unemployment down under 8%, and that is not what happened. so what romney will argue is, that the president has failed and that the failures have been simply too expensive. and you know the new sewing began in romney land and that is this. we can't afford four more years. you're going to hear that in very clear relief on wednesday. >>...
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romney among independents is winning by three points, so if romney's winning the independents and republicans, do you think in a battleground state like florida, he's nine points down? the answer is no. >> okay. that math doesn't actually work out because according to the florida poll, those who say they're most likely going to vote, 36% say they're democrats, 27% republicans and 33% independents, so as you can see, the math that karl rove laid out doesn't necessarily have to be so. let's bring in our panel here and talk about all of the polling here we do at cnn and how it works. cnn polls, one thing you may have heard is that the polls out there are assuming a higher turnout this election than last. a lot of people say that can't be so. there was so much passion and enthusiasm last time around. cnn polls do not assume any higher turnout, which is an important point of clarification. let's bring in roland martin from the democratic side and ron avalon. that has become a rallying cry. there have been a lot of carefully constructed polls put together by those on the right saying the polls assu
romney among independents is winning by three points, so if romney's winning the independents and republicans, do you think in a battleground state like florida, he's nine points down? the answer is no. >> okay. that math doesn't actually work out because according to the florida poll, those who say they're most likely going to vote, 36% say they're democrats, 27% republicans and 33% independents, so as you can see, the math that karl rove laid out doesn't necessarily have to be so. let's...